Folk dancing and the importance of other 'super-spreader' events - experience overseas

Modelling work (the theoretical basis of epidemiology) and implications for folk dance events.

In the UK, modelling work is in part centred at Imperial College under a group led by Professor Neil Ferguson. There is another group in Oxford.

Neil Ferguson's published paper of 16 March 2020 was swiftly condemned in one or two key areas on 17 March by scientists from the USA: their criticism aligned with my own intuitive reasoning of the possible importance of folk dance events in spreading the virus, and centred upon what the authors called the 'fat tail distribution' in the model. Their paper can be accessed here - an extract is shown opposite.

My own concern centred on the close proximity of dozens or hundreds of dancers all holding hands with each other and being in very close proximity often in crowded venues and for several hours. Both the degree and proximity of contact would be much greater than in a theatre or a placid church service, for example. In large outdoor marquees (like the Ham at Sidmouth FolkWeek for example) 1200 people are crammed together for a couple of hours in stifling conditions, and to get to their seats they hold onto numerous plastic chair backs, on which viruses may live for a short while? (FolkWeek 2020 was cancelled in late March.)

Such gatherings could arguably lead to 'super-spreading' events where one infected person (who may not be showing any symptoms of the disease) can infect tens or hundreds of people - who then will return home from the event.

One possible 'super-spreader' event in India was reported here. A crowded folk dance event anywhere in the world has obvious parallels.

Images - a paragraph from Prof. Ferguson's report (16 March 2020), criticism of the Ferguson paper having missed some key points, and a typical ceilidh in the UK. Folk festival ceilidhs can be more (or sometimes less) crowded! Hundreds of people, many in a vulnerable age range, can be mixed together, and for several hours. It is great fun and more people should take up the hobby - but not during the pandemic!

Other criticism of Prof. Ferguson's paper, by Tomas Pueyo in the USA, is discussed below also: The hammer and the dance.

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Mass gathering events of this type are said to have been partly responsible for the huge number of cases in Italy and Spain - one event being a rally of feminists on International Women's Day (8 March 2020, well into the serious phase of Covid-19) and that might have attracted many young nurses!

According to my contacts, this event is now being seen as possibly a key factor in some clusters.  Other references are below - I'll maybe do translations later!

Italy in particular suffered from having many medical staff infected.

Some graphics showing the importance of the R0 parameter in epidemiology - superbly presented and free to view. From The Washington Post.

An inadequate discussion of super-spreaders - there are two issues - the infectivity of a specific person and the number of people in any closely connected group who mix intimately together.

A report of 40,000 people being quarantined because of one 'super-spreader'.

Close contact events have also been highlighted as being factors elsewhere.

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Super-spreading events and people.

The view from Italy:

I’m with you on this one Steve - I think Ferguson’s talkin' bullshit.

Off the top of head just as examples (Madrid Feminists aside) the biggest outbreaks so far in Lazio (Fondi)* & Catalunya (Igualada) were both started when just 1 infected person mingled with others (in the former the granddad of someone who came down from Lombardy to a carnival party for 80 elderly – which I’d bet serious money involved the gentle "ballo liscio" dancing senior Italians much enjoy, in the latter a leaving dinner for a co-worker attended by 80 hospital staff). Hardly mass gatherings, but deadly nonetheless.

It has been argued that the decision to hold the 8 March Feminists’ Strike rally in Madrid (120,000 participants – skewed heavily towards the female-left-liberal leaning & I’d confidently guess more likely to be overly representative of healthcare workers in addition to madrilenos) may have been a monumental mistake.


0. Index page.

1. Wet markets, abuses of wildlife, organised crime and the origins of the virus.

2. Folk dancing and the importance of other 'super-spreader' events - experience overseas.

3. Scientists, government scientists, and criticisms of government policy in the UK.

4. How many people will die - no-one can tell until the final reckoning.

5. Policing of lockdown in the UK - the need for police reform (starting at the top?).

6. Religious nutcases and despotic governments (often the same people!)

7. Economics vs. Health - the lockdown cure being worse than the disease?

8. Ventilators and cures.

9. Shaggy dog stories - and wash your hands.

10. Reserved.

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