Gender neutral dancing - examples where the imposition of gender neutral diktats spoiled dances for many attendees.
Examples of specific dances where it is really useful for everyone to know who are the men and who are the women (and a popular discipline for all dances!).
The previous webpage gave a summary of the disputes around gender neutral folk dancing - and in particular the disagreements with Charlotte Rich-Griffin - the new Dance Director at Sidmouth Folk Festival (Sidmouth Folk Week) (2024 - ? ).
The swing away from 'traditional' roles for men and women in folk dance has a long history - and is much aligned with the 'cancel culture' and 'woke' or 'politically correct' episodes of the recent past - and including the long running 'metoo' movement. For very many years, from around 1600 to the maybe 2000, most of folk dancing was between men and women partners, where this was possible. The history is outlined in Lucy Wordley's videos Dancing Cheek to Cheek on YouTube, originally on BBC TV. Traditional folk dances were written for men and women (more correctly, for men and ladies). As of April 2025, the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that the definition of a woman is biological - but they did need an 88 page judgement to explain why!! The context was in relation to 'equality law'.
I have been a keen and well known (maybe infamous) folk dancer in England for well over 20 years. My dance Diary from 2016 proved very popular at the time. But since those heady days, folk dance numbers in local clubs have continued a steady and often terminal decline. Attendance at some local clubs nowadays seems, often, to be primarily out of loyalty to the other (few) remaining members.
My earliest recollections of the onset of what is now called 'gender neutral' dancing go back as far as Towersey Festival in 2013. In those days, the dance at Towersey was great fun and with lots of lovely women as partners. The whole festival really was magical - it run in those days by Steve Heap and his family, and it was termed 'Another Lovelier World'. It really did feel that way. I took notes of a few of the ceilidh dances so I could use them in local clubs.
The degree to which 'woke' ideology has infiltrated society can be illustrated from outside of folk dance. In England there is an organisation whose membership is primarily stalwart and often opinionated women - the Women's Institute , or simply The WI. Recently (2024/2025), it became disallowed for speakers to say "Good Evening Ladies". Nowadays it has to be "Good Evening everyone". Men are not allowed to join the WI (which itself seems sexist) but transgender women were allowed. No longer being able to say the word 'ladies' aligns with recent guidance from the EFDSS on dancing.
Another, albeit internecine example, would be the long running dispute at the so called University of Sussex - which in 2025 was fined £585,000. The dispute centred upon the academic freedom of Professor Kathleen Stock, a lesbian woman who was in effect hounded out of the university by militant 'trans' activists. The case was unusual in that it had been centred on disputes between what might be regarded as two factions of the LBGTQ movement - and it hardly seemed to involve the rights of normal (majority) people at all.
Other examples of intolerance are attempts to 'ban' or restrict access to some books. These are often centred on 'far right' Christian groups in the USA, the sort of people who believe it is their right to consume as much as possible and to breed as much as possible. Once the world has been destroyed by surplus consumption, it will all be put right by the Second Coming. There is an extensively referenced website about Christianity - and a few jokes. Also, my views on religion.
Examples of either political correctness in dance or imposition of gender neutral dancing - and where it spoiled the dance for many if not most attendees.
Exeter Ceilidhs at Kenn (see panels below) are the successor to the acclaimed Great Western Ceilidhs that used to be held in school halls in Exeter, the later dances at John Stocker School, Buddle Lane. Attendance was typically 100 with a peak of maybe 130. Bands were often 'big name' including the famous Committee Band with Gordon Potts calling, and even in those days the cost of the evening could be £1000, mainly for the band and caller. There was little if any gender neutral dancing or political correctness, and very many of the attendees were excellent and regular dancers. Those were the days!
Towersey 2013 and following years. I probably first came across 'political correctness' in dancing at Towersey around 2013, but paid it little attention. Ten years later, I was looking for some dances to call and found my notes of a simple square in which ladies chains had been replaced with 'B chains'. Further notes reminded me that we had been told that ladies chains were unacceptable because (with men dancing as in the A position and women in the B position) the A dancers would 'control' the B dancers by doing the usual courtesy turn at the end of a ladies chain. But 'control' was not acceptable in a partnership of equals. So we had been told to replace the traditional ladies chain by the B dancers doing half a right turn in the middle of the set followed by half a left turn with an A dancer on the opposite side. The justification was simply that all dancers should be 'equal' and play equal roles. There should be no 'leaders' or 'followers' and no 'control' or 'domination'. This was probably before the days of Larks and Ravens, which later became Larks and Robins. When I first heard these terms I assumed that the larks (being delicate and lovely) would be the women and the men would be the ravens (large, aggressive and with a deep croaking call). Other people made the same mistake! |
Sidmouth FolkWeek 2022 (mainly from Anchor Gardens) - add new text
Sidmouth Folk Week 2023 (mainly from Anchor Gardens) - add new text
Sidmouth Folk Week 2024 (mainly Blackmore Gardens dance marquee, and discussions with callers and dancers - add new text.)
Exeter ceilidhs and other local dances - season 2024/25 - (specific examples, see panels below.)
"If liberty means anything at all
it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear". George Orwell. Proposed
Preface to Animal Farm. (first used on this website here)
Also used in the introduction to a Radio4 programme centred on Free Speech
Start the Week on 31
March 2025
There are many other books on free speech -
at least one of which was not published owing to perceived legal
complications in the UK.
February 22, 2025. Kenn
Centre. The band was billed as Phoenix - a rather loud local band and I
almost wasn't going to attend. At the last minute and owing to illness,
Phoenix were replaced by a part of Amber Fire (another local band) and with
another caller - a very well known local folk club dancer. But she had been asked to do gender neutral dances - something I
have never seen her do in any local club over the last 20 years.
At the start there were already about 70 people in the hall, many of them newcomers, wholly new to dance. Numbers peaked at 86 - probably a record for Kenn. The first dance was a circle and (depressingly) the caller made no attempt whatever to tell the newcomers that (preferably and traditionally) women should be on the right of their partner, if he was a man. I corrected a few nearby couples. "Oh, thank you for telling us, we're new to this". The dance involved a progression - many circle dances do. Because the final part of the dance involved swinging, and because so many couples had started out the dance 'on the wrong side of their partner' I had the unenviable experience of trying to swing with a considerable number of incompetent and (to me) unappealing men. This was rather less satisfying than with women because, with women, it can be more of a pleasure to try and teach them. And women (usually) do not try and act as though they are in a rugby scrum. So what could have been an enjoyable dance, meeting quite a few of the 'new' women and girls, turned into a memorably unpleasant experience. There are several lessons from this one dance.
It is exactly these deep feelings of resentment that (in the analysis argued here) may have led to the election of Donald Trump in 2024 - and some would regard this as a new dark age for the Earth. Amongst the nearly 1000 anti-woke comments reproduced here, are the following, directly addressing folk dancers. How truly depressing. My sympathies to Ceilidh dancers for having to put up with this woke garbage. The Dashing White Sergeant - now a problem on so many levels. Warning - don't anyone mention the Gay Gordons! ... strip the willow could be problematic ... The impact of 'woke' and DEI culture in US and UK universities is separately discussed here - and the article that appeared in The Times is well worth reading for anyone interested in academic standards, or freedom of expression. Columbia University seems to be a target for both sides of a fierce debate - it has been a centre for Palestinian studies and discussion, one of only a few in the USA. |
"If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear". George Orwell. Proposed Preface to Animal Farm. (first used on this website here)
March 22nd, 2025, Exeter
Contra Dance - Kenn Centre. One of the least enjoyable events I have
attended for many years. But why? The music
from Chris Jewell, from North Devon,
was excellent. The venue was fine, as
always, but the number of dancers
was inadequate for two long contra lines, and there was an unusually high
number of men. Having two separate lines might have satisfied everyone. Exeter Contra dances are held only a few times each year, as 'ad-hoc' extras to Exeter Ceilidhs. They are events that I usually attend more out of 'loyalty' and to help make up the numbers, rather than out of expectation that they will be especially memorable evenings. There have been exceptions - several years ago the acclaimed band Vertical Expression played to a crowded hall, but it was before the days when 'gender neutral dancing' became so much of an imposed obsession. March 22nd proved to be uncomfortable owing mainly to the number of 'gender swapping' dancers, and the high number of men. So what exactly spoiled the enjoyment of many of the dances? TEACHING AND CALLING. Some of the calling and some of the explanations could have been better, but these are minor gripes. For example, explaining the Rory O'Moore move. (This video also shows a more fancy twirl move, in the usual version, hands stay at waist level!). I always explain the the rotations are clockwise if you have right hands joined and anti-clockwise for left hands. The joined hand always goes backwards. I had to correct several women (and one or two men who were dancing as women). Swinging needs to be taught at some length (I try to volunteer). It can take many sessions for some people to become proficient - then they really do enjoy it. The American 'walk swing', as taught sometimes in basic contra, is tame and not so enjoyable as a so-called buzz step swing. At the start of the evening, I was dancing with a favourite partner. But we agreed we should separate to split up a middle-aged couple who were obviously new and having problems following the dance. This worked well: newcomers often benefit by being taught 1:1. What didn't work well is explained below. CONFUSION: When some or many dancers swap from their normal (biological) role, and this is not clear at all times to all other dancers, the outcome can be confusion. Dances had to be stopped and restarted on several occasions, In part this was because many of the attendees were inexperienced (hardly knowing their left from their right in some cases) and having problems with spatial orientation - knowing exactly where they were supposed to be on the dance floor and at what time, and interacting with which other person. In these circumstances, it is unhelpful to add uncertainty over which people are the men and which are the women - or more exactly, which men are acting out the part of women, and vice versa. (In dance more generally there are leaders and followers. Historically, men lead.). These problems have been seen elsewhere. In most traditional folk dance clubs, where there are often more women than men who want to dance, the women who are playing the part of men wear a sash (usually blue, but any colour will do) to denote that they will be playing the part of a man. A few clubs use pink sashes for men playing a women's role. Sashes work as well today as they have done for probably a century or more. But they may not be deemed politically correct, and might fall foul of DEI legislation or rules in many organisations. One of my regular (and favourite) dance partners agreed that sashes would have been helpful. SIMPLY UNPLEASANT: Many people who I would term 'normal' prefer dancing in traditional men-women partnerships. Some men (and I am one of them) simply do not like holding onto other men, swinging them around for example, and especially when we don't know them. We simply find holding women more appealing, even if we don't find some of them particularly attractive. There was a high number of men at this event - which exacerbated the problems. Many young women dislike being 'held' by older men, hence at dances they prefer to dance in groups by themselves. This again should be accepted - and is widely seen at folk festival ceilidhs. DANCE FORMATIONS. The evening on 22 March was predominantly a single contra line. In such a formation, you have to dance with all the other people in the room if the dance goes on for long enough. The same can be true of progressive circle dances - see comments above for the event on 22 February. But in a venue where there are many people who prefer 'traditional' dance partners, and a minority who prefer gender neutral dancing, or primarily men with men, it would be far more satisfactory to have all or most dances as squares (groups of 4 couples) , or longways sets of 3, 4 or 5 couples. Thereby, people could always or usually arrange themselves so they danced with people they felt most comfortable to be with. And why not? I occasionally find myself in a dance set where I am the only man - and with 5, 7 or even 9 women. In more complicated dances, the women who are dancing as men could be identified by sashes, to avoid any confusion. Within modern parlance, being made to feel 'uncomfortable' can almost amount to a crime. So why, outside perhaps of a small contra dance evening, can't we have dance grouping arranged so as to minimise people feeling 'uncomfortable'? A trivial computer programme that can make Gen Z women feel 'uncomfortable' appears these days to merit an article on the BBC website - and this despite that fact they are not going to be forced to use it. Reports in the Press suggest that some folk ceilidh venues have been 'taken over' by LGBTQ people. I know from dance contacts that Bristol Contra events are infused with political correctness and orders not to 'mis-gender' attendees. Normal people are made to feel excluded. Some good dancers who live around Bristol have told me that they do not attend simply because of the Lesbian / Gay emphasis. Even at Contra evenings, one or more dance sets could be for people who preferred to dance traditional roles. Presumably, and under extreme DEI policies, this would not be 'inclusive' - so everyone has to be forced to join in with the minority? Allowing people to 'self-select' who they dance with should not be contentious. As already noted, 'self-selection' happens all the time at folk festival ceilidhs - groups of young women very often dance together, experienced dancers tend to dance together, and groups of 'gay' men stay as a group. These are simply natural preferences. It would be helpful if experienced dancers made a habit of spreading themselves out more - to assist newcomers. Or at least, we could offer. An arguably extreme example of a backlash against forcing people to comply with DEI (woke) diktats was published in The Times on 21 Dec 2024 (archive copy here). Children of 7 years old in the USA were addressed in school by an external speaker and taught about 'white privilege'. These children were advised that henceforth they should never sit in a lunch group without a 'minority' child present. It led to a Cuban-American (Latino) living in California (Robby Starbuck) becoming an anti-woke activist and forcing big-name companies to drop their more extreme DEI policies - or face boycotts from consumers. He is certainly a good speaker. Whilst extreme DEI exists, so do other extreme ideas - such as exposure to toxins being claimed to create LGBTQ children. In summary - it would be so easy in most folk dance evenings to allow people to self select their partners and dance sets. On 22 March at Kenn, it was just a pity that neither the music nor some lovely dance partners could override the feeling that folk dance was being debased by mandating adherence to the extreme diktats of 'woke' culture. It was made worse by the number of men present. I am not the only experienced folk dancer who feels this way, but they tend to agree with me in hushed tones, so as not to be overheard by the thought police. INTERESTING CONVERSATION. One appealing woman at this contra dance was (from her accent) from the USA or Canada, but lived in Spain. I mistook her originally for a novice - she soon dispelled that. We discussed the history of folk dance and the prospects these days for dances specifically aimed at men meeting women on a 1:1 basis - a sort of dating agency but with dance involved. This followed from an idea I published in S&TS magazine over 10 years ago. We agreed it probably wasn't viable. But my 2013 webpage shows what fun folk dancing (including contra dance) used to be - pre-woke. One idea might be to combine the 'dating' idea with a charitable element. Many years ago, both the Green Party and Amnesty International held ceilidhs in Exeter, as did Water-Aid or a similar organisation. The problem with charity dances is often that they can attract a number of people who support the charity but who have no interest in dance. As a postscript, impending legislation may be utilised to ban all discussion of 'misgendering' - so maybe soon we will no longer even be able to identify ourselves men and women, or to have the freedom to choose who we dance with?? This type of legislation is totalitarianism dressed up as freedom. A recent ruling from the UK Supreme Court may serve to limit the nonsense. |
How to improve contemporary ceilidhs - to make them more enjoyable for most
people? Encourage
traditional man-woman pairings. This would best suit most attendees and most
dances. It would minimise positional confusion, especially for new dancers. (This was done very well at Kenn on 29 March 2025 by Chris Jewell, a caller from North Devon.) |
March 29th, 2025, Exeter
Ceilidh - Kenn Centre. A most enjoyable event. But why? The music
from Amber Fire (a local band)
was excellent, as was the calling from Chris Jewell from North Devon.
It felt an incomparably better evening than the contra on 22 March (see panel
above), although at 8 o'clock there
were only about 12 people in the hall. I began to despair of ever having
a decent partner for much of the time because several of my regulars had not
turned up.
However there were quite a few new people, and by 8.10pm the hall was acceptably
full. Many people didn't
know basic moves - which emphasized the fact that classes before ceilidhs could
help to
minimize the amount of wasted time. |
There are still local dance clubs where men and women take their proper roles, albeit folk dance clubs in the UK are now generally far smaller than they used to be, and there is very little structured dance teaching.
One recent example of a memorable 'traditional' dance was Willand Folk Dance Club on 1 March 2025. The caller was Robert Blackborow a local man who first started dancing when he was 16. He started calling at 19 and announced his retirement from Saturday dances now that he had attained the age of 80. He called 21 dances in quick succession, and without a sign of political correctness. Such dance evenings, once common, are now an endangered species. A younger local caller, Simon Maplesden, claims the record for Saturday night dances at 25. He tells me he aims to beat this at the NYE dance at Willand on 31 December 2025.
Two evenings in April 2025 showed how
dances should be run. Except they needed more dancers - and the hobby needs
more and better quality videos. The first was a club night at Willand Folk Dance Club on 24 April with Ray Goodswen calling - he lives locally but is a nationally known caller. The band was Petronella - again local. There were about 22 dancers - just about adequate in such a large hall. The dances were interesting, unusual, and several illustrated the advantage of having the sexes clearly denoted. In particular Rockpools - Ray's simpler version of the well known Sea Caves, a Scottish dance. In these dances there is an unusual start to the reels - with active dancers (first and third couples in Sea Caves) facing someone of their own sex. For experienced dancers, there is no problem in getting into the right place, but for the less experienced, knowing that a man has to face a man (and women face a woman) increases the chances of getting it right. Ray kept the dancers on their toes all evening and without excessive rest periods. We don't need them! As usual, Ray called all the dances from memory. I can do a few like this - but not hundreds of complicated ones....... The whole evening used traditional men and women terminology. The second event was a ceilidh/folkdance evening organised by Gittisham Club and held at the spacious Victory Hall in Broadclyst on the following Saturday. There were about 58 people, and most of them were very experienced dancers. I took a ceilidh dance partner with me, as I had persuaded her not to attend the Exeter ceilidh on the same evening, owing in part to the loudness of the band. Broadclyst hall was acceptably full on a warm evening. In the days when I used to organise the tickets for Gittisham club I set a limit of 100 people - and in those fondly remembered days we used to achieve those numbers, and we were packed in like sardines. The band was the local Dartmoor Pixies - who usually are accompanied by a number of 'groupies' from South Zeal, but sadly none of these turned up. Nevertheless it was a lively enough evening, with clear calling delineated as necessary by using 'men and women', music at the right volume, and few rest periods. Sashes were made available for women dancing as men - this aided a few dances but was not necessary for experienced dancers doing 'known' dances. But it is a sensible policy to encourage clear delineation of the sexes. The only disappointing aspect was the music to the last dance - Devil's Dream. It seemed somehow slow and lifeless for such a well-known dance - one in which I usually thrash around, spinning women around twice in the ladies chains. But the music simply didn't invite this to happen, so I had to switch into lifeless mode. These days, publicity for dance events should surely include videos - and with more fun evident than in most folk dance offerings, for example in this version of Sea Caves. The dancers are competent, but would watching them ambling gently around really encourage young people to become interested? Some of the best fastest sets at evenings with the Dartmoor Pixies could be videoed, using fast lively music and maybe ceilidh dancers rather than folk dancers. The videos could be used as a part of publicity to invite newcomers to try the hobby. Exeter ceilidhs have done this in an ad-hoc way but it could become more organised. |
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woke1 - including the EFDSS proclamation that all dancing should henceforth be gender neutral - and saying Ladies and Gentlemen is disallowed.
woke3 - the backlash against woke culture - did it contribute to the election of Donald Trump in 2024?